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up here in ontario canada, just poking around here to see whats up. digital d was wondering about work here , its still slow, i had to go back to a ehv crew for ont. hydro, not much contracting distribution now , i would love to come to the states, i like it live

hey joe, if you can get a transfer that would prolly be best. Have you gone thru selcats climbing school yet? if not, then you may want to wait and do that before you leave cuz i hear that albat has a 3 week course that is similar to boot camp. selcat is tough but it is real life stuff, stuff you need, not some lineman on a power trip or anything, anyway good luck with that. I also understand that if you can top out in detroit on that old-ass delta system you can just about work anywhere, heck i bet if you did finish up your app.ship there you could build a powerline with a couple of rocks and a pair of wooden handle kleins. best wishes in the new year and i hope things go yer way. take care brother. p.s. who you work for in g.a.?

Sounds good man I already have the permit and thats fine its just the driving test I need. Anyway Im goin to call selcat soon and see whats up. The guy at my hall said I should transfer too so hell I would like to work where I'm from and hell I 'm 22 so I still live at home and it would be easier on me but I love Georgia !!!!! lol Thanx for the advice man.

hey joe, i know exactly how you feel, selcat held me back at 3rd step pay until i got my class a, but did you know that the missouri valley and south western app.ships only require you to have class b? The a class makes you just a little more employable, anyway, they can't kick you out for not havin class a's, they can if you don't have any at all though! yes employers in the south will help you get your cdl's. i worked for dillard smith and my foreman would let me take a truck anytime (it took me two times to get my class a's) with another certified driver. Henkle and destroy would have let me, though i didn't try. But don't hold yer breath for Marable Pirkle, they are a good company, but the upper level office people gave me the blues on some overtime pay, so i took a leave of absence and never came back. there are a lot of places like drwelect talks about in the south, especially alabama, i have lots of app. friends who did that, kinda like all the tech schools up here, truck driver academys down there. that's one way another way is get the handbook from the d.o.t. and study the heck outta it, pay $5 bucks and take yer written tests, pass em, then have yer lineman or whoever drive you down there on a scheduled date, drive the dot lady around for a bit, (don't scare em like i did in selma, al) get back and if yer good they write you a temp. license, then you fax that to selcat and tell em to leave you alone. but if you are thinkin of transferrin, do it after you get yer class a's. tell virgil you wanna transfer, then call albats director and ask for permission, clear it thru the proper channels but do try NOT to step on any toes doin it, cuz they can make life very miserable for you, do it right, do it legal and do what is best for joe. selcat is not gonna take care of you. you are the only one takeing care of you, i know how people are in the south, i'm from there, they are good people, damn fine people i've worked with and for, but look out for you man. by the way, i'm workin in wisconsin now ready to go back home to sweet Alabama. simplemn7@yahoo.com or xtdc1@yahoo.com take care brother.

Line Mechanics Auckland New Zealand Power Construction Limited has vacancies for Distribution Overhead and Underground Lineman to work predominantly in the Auckland area. Applicants will preferably be experienced in all aspects of Overhead and Underground work, with jointing or glove and barrier experience an advantage Applicants will be able to produce works of a consistently high standard, work efficiently and safely and foster good relations with clients, other employees, suppliers and the community. A New Zealand practicing licence is preferable but not essential. Excellent rates of pay Accommodation allowance Bonus For further information or to apply, please email your CV to; employment@nzpowerconstruction.co.nz Please send as text in the main body of your email or attach a word.doc only

Hey man after being in this thing for 3 months Ive met a ton of cool ass people and I cant ask for better guys to work with but everyone tells me that virgil is a c0cksuker. So here I am comming all the way from michigan and it doesnt look too good. Im goin to stick it out the best I can cause it wouldnt make sense to quit and thats not how I am. Also when I was applying to Selcat and ALbat (the program up here in michigan) I got to talking to a few people at the albat office and told them how I would be traveling all over the south and wanted to know if I were to get into albat if I would travel a ton and they said no I would be working in southeast metro detroit michigan which is where Im from. Plus they start off at 4$ more per hour. The program up here just made so much more sense but when they take applications they get a ton and pick the ones they will take in a lottery type thing and I didnt get picked. So the people at albat said I could transfer and that sounds cool n all but Virgil told me at the interview that he didnt want me to transfer. But if he dropps me cause of not having a CDL what the hell can I do? All of my class work and OJTs are up to date and on time. It's just getting really frustrating thats all and everytime i ask somthing I get 10 different answers. So where are you working now? How do you think I could transfer out? If you have AOL man ID like to BS with ya for a bit.

I agree with ex-selcat app. That's the best advice that I can give you is to follow his lead and do exactly as he did. The only other option that I might offer is to spend a couple of hundred dollars and look into one of the truck driving schools and see if they won't let you do your walk thru and drive test short course. That's an option out of Phoenix,AZ Good luck.

hey joe, i read your type and i feel sorry for you. i worked outta selcat for about two years and transferred my apprenticeship. i think that it was a smart move, not only for my growth as an app. but also to get away from all the b.s. selcat is a lotta politics and trivial games. Virgil has alot of nerve and had a bad habit of callin my cell phone and leavin loud and hateful messages that my wife would end up listening to and wondering what kind of job do you really have? Your foreman doesn't talk to you like that. So before i left i told him what i thought of the way he ran his apprenticeship. I seriously considered jumpin the fence to get the rest of my hot time and then come back and take the J.L. test, but no, i will see this app.ship thru. i have invested a lot of time in this and will not waste it for one jerkoff like Milton. Anyway, i'm a 6th now just about out of the program and done with anybody tellin me where i got to go, except for the good Lord and my wife. i love the union and it's benefits and will stand up at every meeting to make my vote count, but don't let one app.ship and a license stop you from toppin out. take care brother.

Ok guys here it goes I'm from Michigan but as of now I work in Georgia in SELCAT and I'm a first step apprentice. Right now I have a Michigan drivers license and need a CDL asap. Now since I live out of a hotel when I'm down there I cant really change my address and get a Georgia license. SELCAT also says that I need it 90 days after I started work and I'm pretty much at that point. Working in Georgia I cant really get a CDL and people I ask dont seem to have any ideas in the matter and it would be stupid if I were to be dropped from the program because of this. So I was reading in the IBEW book with all the rules n such and it said something about a travelers card. Could I get a travelers card and work in Michigan for a month or 2 and get my CDL there? DO you think a company would help me with that? I have allot more ?'s too and Id like to chat with one of you guys if you woulnt mind. JBrzoz00@aol.com

dear sirs i am possable looking for a man to climb 1000 poles if i get job 805 3444818 cell 805 2643165 thank you

Hey I just found a great site for anyone interested in lineman apprenticeships. www.ajatc.org It's entry level for the union contractors

Shout out to all my people...you are what makes this site great. Peace and Joy to you and yours...Morre

hey Feederman how's it going? still alive and kicking here-you need to reread the post that I made-the Golden Rule isn't that the lineman is always right it's that the groundman can be replaced...and I never said that there is no place for groundmen or apprentices I merely gave my opinion that there isn't too much of a place for them IF THAT GROUNDMAN OR APPRENTICE IS LOOKING TO MOVE UP-it's hard to learn when you and the lineman are both being rushed-this leads to cutting corners and guess what happens there...oh shit, looks like I'm breaking Rule No.2 that the lineman is always right-these rules are meant to be taking in a "curved manner",,,(Hollywood slang) what I meant by the lineman is always right is never argue with him, that is not to be taken literally, what that means is as a grunt nod your head yes and agree don't piss him off by saying stupid shit like, " well i was told with the last company that I worked with that blah, blah, blah," do what he says unless it jeprodizes your safety-I'm sure that you can decipher the rest of the GOLDEN RULES (even though there is only one) and none of these rules are the union I came up with them and I'm nonunion they are the rules of a frustrated apprentice take them for what you think they are worth-bottom line is if someone tells me to do something that I think is unsafe I won't...and if they have a problem with that then I'll drag up-rather drag up than be dead no offense Feederman but your not my lineman so I can break rule one (keep your mouth shut and not step on any toes) I'm just glad to see that we are still alive to celebrate the holidays with our family-and that's the main thing. Regardless of whether someone is union or nonunion if they are in this trade they are kin to me (metaophorically speaking for the dull ones) there is something that gets in your blood that keeps you pumping and going to work and anyone that has that is in this profession-maybe induced voltage acting on the iron in your blood? :) that's a joke your suppose to laugh Happy Holidays all and be safe

drwelect Yes, my non union background is always here because I don't need your union to preach the bullshit you feed this young fatality that you are groming. If the "GLODEN RULES" that I think are total bullshit are the rule of the union, than I will remain "RAT" until the end of my days. I do not think answers to these rules need to be addressed, because common sense would tell me if I wanted to have a long life in this trade I would think and use my common sense to stay alive and healthy. My critisism will more than likely keep this young man alive, just as I stated in the first post, only if he can stand up and be a man and not a SHEEP. I think in the post said to question and not assume that your foreman is always right, what is wrong with that??? Drwelect, you trash talk Swamprat and myself for a " RAT BACKGROUND", but that is your opinion and that is fine, but the both of us have built our time in this trade on our oun merit and have not had to rely on a union steward to make our case to any company we work for like REAL LINEMEN. If you have influenced this "whocares" with this bullshit, you should be ashamed of youself and the union that you belong to, do me a favor and send my sympathy to this kids family when the forman is always right and he is in a pine box, bacause the "GLODEN RULE" said he is always right.

Your Rat background is showing again. . . Instead of encouraging the young ones that have questions, you choose to ridicule. How about you and swamprat get together an actually build something instead of tearing all things down when it comes to sound entry advice. That's the difference! A union brother would be harsh, but he would bring a real message instead of critisize with no option to do better.

Whocares These "GOLDEN RULES" you preach sound like the rantings of a fool, rule #1 is almost correct but it should be shut up and pay attention. The rest of the will either get you hurt or run off and in a hurry.The lineman is always right???, I have worked in this trade for along time and never met anyone that "always right" myself included.You think that taking the heat for a foremans fuck up is the right thing to do than maybe the next time the foreman is wrong you might not be around to take the heat!!! Before I forget thanks for the news flash that contractors no longer have any place for groundman help,I need to tell my groundman in the morning that he is not suppose to be at work and to forget everything that I have taught him and the other lineman that he works with Whocares best of luck to you with your job hunt, got to run it's time to give my help their milk and cookies and have them put their heads on the desk for the afternoon nappy time

20+ years experience in the cable tv construction industry.I can climb wood or steel and I am also proficient in bucket truck operation

sorry brain not working, if anyones got contacts for aussie liney(SEE ADD BELOW), my email is dotboy2020@yahoo.com.au. cheers.

hey guys, just looking for a bit of info on anybody over there(US) who would consider employing aussie liney of 10 yrs. looking for a change and a chance to have a crack in another country. any info would be muchly appreciated.

Looking for new boots with gaffs built into the boot. Anyone know where I can find them?

To be honest, there are no guarantees on how long a job will last. But the important thing for you to do is learn all that you can with an attitude of can do. . . You will be the groundman that "serves" to his journeyman. 1st step: Get to know the material well and where it is located on the truck. 2nd step: Find out what your journeyman drinks (water, gatorade, etc) when working and make sure he always has it around him. 3rd step: Ask your foreman anything you need to make yourself both busy and available at the same time 4th and most important thing to remember: You are entry level. They will know that and will test you and your attitude. That will go a long way to your possible viability toward an apprenticeship. (Don't get involved with the joking or ridicule with your journeyman or foreman may inflict on the current apprentice on your crew. He is also being tested and you may soon be next and need that apprentices help as a buddy.) Good luck little brother. . .

What is the employment outlook for apprentice lineman in 2004?

I went to 55 fillmore in San Francisco and they sent me to Vacaville, IBEW 1245. I signed up and I'm now on Book 4 behind 69 other people. So when they finally call me does that me I have a shot at an apprenticeship? And how long will this work last for this call? Thanks for all of your help DrWelect.

I see that your post says the National Safety Board has some stats regarding union v. non-union. Where is that info exactly? I am trying to make this case all the time, but cant find any stats. TIA

Try visiting Local Union 6. 55 Fillmore St. San Francisco, CA. 94117. Sign the books as a "Groundman", (grunt). Then wait for a call. Then go ahead and flip burgers if you have to while you wait. ( We all still have to eat, right!). Then when that call comes, work your tail off and pay attention. The effort will be worth it if you're willing to work for it. At the time you get the call, go to the hall as instructed to get your working papers and announce to the office person that you intend to go into the apprenticeship program. The est will be up to you. Good luck.

Again, I don't know where you're out of, or what you will have to do to get to a good working environment. But if you want, I will try to help you or any others reading this that need it. I am not the smartest guy nor may I always be the most knowledgeable in any circumstance. But I am a good lineman and have the respect of most who have worked with me in the field or on a pole. I am not a recruiter of any kind. I only want all in this trade to work safe and know what they are getting in to. If you, or others need assistance, I can be reached individually at drwelect@yahoo.com. I am a union member and firmly believe in their goals, but I have worked non-union, and believe that the union is the best and safest way to work in this trade. Best of luck and happy holidays for you's and your families.

I live in San Francisco and I just missed the hiring window last month for PG&E. where can I find work as entry-level worker? who should I contact? Any help is appreciated. Thanks -Ray

thank you drwelect-I have an application and it will be mailed out with my resume and such in a few days...I will have to agree with you on the cutting corners aspect of nonunion and also with the not dying but having to burden my family by not functioning properly-in such a case I think that I might have to eat a bullet so that they can get on with their lives. According to the National Safety Board the accident ratio of nonunion vs. union is outstanding-my advice to anyone reading this is simple...if you don't know what your doing try to go union and be safe.

If you need lineman, have you called the Union Hall?

My immediate response would be to visit your local union office. Ask to see the BA. Where are you, in what state or county? Some places are stronger than others in union rep. When you talk to this rep or BA, you may possibly be able to be tested out and not have to begin as a ground man if you truly have the experience that you represent in your opening statement. But even if you have to start at the bottom, in most places you would instantly get a raise from your description earlier. Most of all, I have worked behind several non-union guys before and was instantly convinced that shortcuts were taken in quality and safety. That translates to you that you may be taking sorry chances with your future. Not good. I will and must add though, in all honesty, that I have personally known some fine rats! Above all, keep yourself safe. My biggest fear is not that I will die in an "accident". My biggest fear is that I might live and burden my wife or family with the chore of wiping my ass for me the rest of my life because I let my arms get blown off!

anybody out there ever worked for Jr Young, outta local 84, holler back and lemme know

sorry for the late response-I really wouldn't say that I'm even under a journeyman or an exerpienced lineworker that offically doesn't have his journeyman card-I do whatever needs to be done...I think that there has been a misunderstanding-I work for nonunion but am trying to get in the union...I am not whining I am just saying that as an app. you don't get taken care of w/ nonunion as you would with union-this I know simply because I have talked to several friends who work nonunion vs. union and all the union guys seem pleased as pigs in shit while the nonunion guys (such as myself) feel like the shit :) (that's a joke your suppose to smile)

What kind of positions do you have? E mail me JBrzoz00@aol.com

Because of the circumstances you posted, the BA at your local should have been able to help you get thruogh this, as well as your con rep. I can't believe if they knew all you were up against, that they would send you trampin (traveling). Call them. If anybody can help it would be them.

local 51 journeyman, I guess I should have explained why I left the program. My first wife passed away and left me with 2 small boys to take care of. I had no family living close to me who could help me out. I couldn't travel, as you know is required of apprentices, so I had no choice but to quit and find a job that would keep me home at night. Now that my boys are older, I have a new wife, and I live closer to family that can help, I want to finish what I started. I have tried to be absolutly ethical in the jobs i have taken over the past 7 years, that's how long it has been since I was an apprentice. I only recently took a job working on a phone line crew. I was talking to one of the local journeymen on a joint trench job and he suggested I try to challenge the test because I had the hours to top out this apprenticeship. Hopefully this kind of clears things up so you can understand my situation a little better. The IBEW is a wonderful thing and that's why I want to be a part of it again now that my situation allows.

local 51 journeyman, i didn't work in the trade for at least 5 years after quiting and right now i am working phone. I also understand your loyalty to the union, and believe me if there was ANY way for me to stay I would have. I have nothing but good things to say about the IBEW, that's why I was wanting to get back in. I'm sorry if you feel like I have betrayed the brotherhood, and if I have betrayed you or it, it was never intentional. I'm just trying to figure out a better way to provide for my family. I do appreciate your response. Work safe.

hey nastyman..... i can understand that you may have some personal reasons for leaving the app program. As far as I know in the last 15 years it has been a requirement of the albat (njatc) program that after completeion of the linemans apprentice training program you are indentured to the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers for 5 years.... In laymans , if you don't understand what indentured means, you must remain gainfully employed be an employer who is cover by and in compliance with an I.B.E.W contract. So the first problem that I have with your situation is that you seem to have almost topped out at the expense of all of my fellow brothers (myself included) and left. Then apparently you decided it was in your best interest to become gainfully employed in the trade that the I.B.E.W paid for you to learn, but doing so as a non union worker. Now if you have paid back the local which sponsored your apprenticeship, entirely, which you don't mention that you have done, I coould understand asking the I.B.E.W. to enter the apprentice program again. However I am not aware of any apprentice being able to walk in the door of thier local as a step 3 or 4 apprentice. So I have some serious questionability about your work ethics, namely loyalty to providing good brotherhood, stewardship and securing the future of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers. Hence my previous post or attack if you want to call it that. But I have worked 38 years for this union and defend it till my death I will. My advice to you as you have asked???? Stay work non union. There is no room for your type in this brotherhood. That's why I named my reply Whatever Nastyman. If I was the construction rep or the BA in my local and you called me and asked me for help, or a job, thats what I would say....Whatever

I am a recruiter for PSEG and am looking for people interested in the utility industry. For example, linemen, apprentices etc. Some with experience and also entry level applicants. Can you give me any suggestions as to where to look? Shools, organizations etc.

local 51 journeyman, I was just looking for advice, there is no need for a personal attack. The only reason I was asking about challenging the test is because the area I live in now has a 7000 hour app. program and I have enough hours to top that out. I have no problem with constructive criticism but you don't know me at all to place a judgment like that. If I am not mistaken you took the same test with the same requirements to become a journeyman. I am not looking to stir things up I just want to do this the right way.

If i'm not mistaken 7000 hours is not quite 8000 hours....so you would still be an apprentice. go ahead and challenge it. Maybe you'll pass it, and maybe you'll get a card and maybe you'll kill a whole crew when they make you foreman. Or better yet you'll get that cush company job and figure out how 2 guys can do the job of 5. I'll be glad when I get 3 more years in and then I won't have to worry about derelects like you who can really screw shit up.

I am looking for advise on challenging the I.B.E.W's journeyman's test. I have close to 7000 hours (I was in an 8000 hour app program)in the trade as a union apprentice but was forced to drop out for personal reasons. I have all of the documentation for my hours and scored well on all of my aprenticeship reviews. I also have all of the hot time required. I am working non-union right now but would like to go back to the "A" team. I was thinking challenging the test would be a better alternative to going through the app. program again. Can anyone give me any advise please. Thanks.

You're an App? What step are you? It appears that you are working non union at that rate, depending on where you are serving your apprenticeship. So you're whining about doing all the work under a journeyman and not getting the pay. . . Is it hot work? Is it trouble work in unsafe conditions such as in storm , unpredictable wreckage, or supervisory control conditions where you are responsible for the safety of others under training or fresh journey level personnel? Are the benefits being dealt as promised? Is your health care for you and your family addressed? Let's talk. . . This board needs a good discussion on these topics. Glad you asked. I am a journeyman that can answer yes to all those questions and kinda felt like you did at that time. Work safe and remember the holidays are just around the corner. Not a good time to be taking chances and not happy to work. drwelect@yahoo.com

yeah the whole union vs. non-union thing has been going on forever, what I've seen as an app. though, is that unless you are a lineman with a contractor you get treated like shit!!! No, pay at all...I was wondering what the app. fairs with the union...I think that I should get paid a decent wage for putting my life on the line every day-I don't expect to make anything like 20 bucks an hour because I'm not a lineman yet but shit at only $12 an hour I think that's almost a waste of my time...considering how I do everything I'm told-learn quick and keep my mouth shut. any input?

Talked to Obelisk's recruiter about their request for contracted Lineman in Ireland. After the all the numbers were exchanged I asked about Irish labor laws and where I could get more information. The recruiter quit communicating with me and haven't heard from him since. Kind of makes you wonder...

when its not raining its snowing long slavery hours accomadation hard to find bonus sucks

Average rates $16 to $21 plus time and half for overtime the best rates are between $18 and $25 you can email me at sensationsnz@hotmail.com for further info.

CAN SOMEONE PUHLEEZE TELL ME HOW MUCH LINEMNE MAKE IN NEW ZEALAND?? I HAEV SEARCHED AND SEARCHED AND HAVE FOUND NO INFO.. THANKS IN ADVANCE :)

Ive read alot on here about lineman colleges, NLC paticularly. The first thing that comes to mind when reading all this is WOW. I attended NLC and , whats more is that I was also, ( As part of my training ), required to attend PG&E training. such classes as, Basic climbing, advanced climbing, overhead fund. and on and on and on. Id say the money I spent going to NLC has more than paid for itself, so I like to call it an INVESTMENT. I have alot to learn thoughout my career and am a eager to do so, but what really gets me is that someone with no knowledge or better yet, wanta be second hand knowledge of NLC can tell ppl its a waste of money. I can see how having an apprentice with alittle knowledge can be intimidating. especially when you have a first step asking questions about 3rd harmonics, TVI, meggering cable or ferroresonance. Isnt this what we want?

i graduated from nlc and a lot of companies came to recrute. i am an ap. linemen for par electric now and the school helped me a bunch. be ready to travel in this trade. you wanted feadback...

On top of our relocation bonus, we are paying an additional $1,000 to linemen who come onboard at San Diego Gas & Electric thru 12/31/03. Give me a call asap. Thanks, Candy 858/566-8151 or candycaplan@cs.com. (24/7)

well i am just out of the marine corps and am wanting to get into power line construction and distribution. i was wondering what the best route to take to get into this work is. i have a application for the northwest jatc. what is the usual time to get accepted into this program. also i know there is a lineman school in idaho but cannot find the name of the school or any info on it. and would like to know if this school would help me on my choice of career. any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Any info on work in iraq please email to bigbolt2@aol.com

Does any 1 have info on working in iraq? or do you know where to get any?

The title speaks for it's self

IBEW LOCAL 2150 NEEDS JOURNEYMAN LINEMEN IMMEDIATELY! Transmission, Distribution, and Substation Work Available 40 - 60 Hours per week Class A CDL required $28.21 per hour, NEBF, NEAP at $7.05 per hour, Lineco Local 2150 has 100% Union Linework in our Jurisdiction, but Non-Union Journey Level Linemen are encouraged to reply- we welcome all experienced hands A limited number of Groundmen and Operators will also be needed-Class A CDL required. Please e-mail me at mbellcock@ibewlocal2150.com Or check the IBEW jobs board at www.ibew.org IBEW Local Union 2150 N8 W22520 Johnson Dr. Unit H Waukesha, WI 53186 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

New Zealand Power Construction Limited are looking for experianced certified lineman to work mainly on OHUG projects in the Auckland Region please submit your cv to nzpowerconstruction@xtra.co.nz

I am of to Northwest linemans college in January and after reading the messages on message board I would like a few more opinions.My brother has been a journeyman line man in Minnesota for 20yrs. and has nothing but good things to say about the industry.The only training I am aware of in the midwest is through a a handful of technical schools. I am attending NLC because of the fexibility of attending school now and not having to waite. All the technical schools charge a tuition it may be a little less than NLC but not much.I am wanting to no why there is so much negative feedback about this school on this message board? I would appreciate more feedback both possitive and negative. Thank you

On November 4, 2003 I interviewed for a apprenticelineman position. I received a letter today telling me that my name was placed on an eligibility list. I callled to see where I stood on this list and the person I spoke with told me he couldn't tell me because it was always changing. My question to the union hands is this, is this another good ole boy way of getting the friends, sons, uncles and others a job because they know someone?

I would be interested in finding out about international linework Australia, UK ETC. Please send me some info back thanks

I was just browsing around and wanted to see what in here

semi-skilled labor October 23, 2003 - 09:05:38 pm - Posted by fromlocal84to1245 ref aug 30 post . the trade is considered semi-skilled , because of a choice made years ago. if it was skilled ,teamsters would drive our trucks , steelworkers would lace steel etc. thus we became jack of all , master of none. WELL WE WERE CLASSIFIED AS UNSKILLED. WE WERE LISTED UNDER DEPARTMENT OF LABOR BELOW TRUCK DRIVERS AND LABORS UNDER THE DOL PAY SCALES. SOME FORWARD THINKING MEMBERS SET UP PRESENT DAY IBEW TRAINING THAT REVERSED THAT MINDSET. YOU ARE NOW LISTED AS SKILLED AND RECIEVE 24 COLLEGE HRS FOR YOUR TRAINING. I'LL STAY THE JACK OF ALL TRADES THE MASTER OF NONE . THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE TEAMSTERS CAN KISS MY @$$.

Matt, give me a call in San Diego. 858/566-8151. Thanks, Candy

Florida Power and Light are doing green cards for Canadian linemen. Other contractors are offering one year visas

ref aug 30 post . the trade is considered semi-skilled , because of a choice made years ago. if it was skilled ,teamsters would drive our trucks , steelworkers would lace steel etc. thus we became jack of all , master of none.

Hello fellow linemen. I posted a message a few weeks back and have had no reply's. So im re-asking. I live and work in Northern ireland as an overhead lineman and want to go to the United States and live and work as a lineman. I was wondering if it would be possible for anyone with information, on companies who are hiring that would sponser for a work permit or green card to please get in contact with me. e-mail: vecoie@yahoo.co.uk. Thanks again for any help

Looking for info on companies with quality safety policies and safty records to work for in Ca. been in the trade a little over 10 years and am certified through the Az. state labor board as Journeyman lineman. not fiber,telephone,cable t.v.,hotstickin,rubberglovin, will do all hot or cold work from substation to ses. work here in Az. is slow right now and 40 hours a week is about all i can get. looking to work some time. thanks, Matt

Why would i speak the queens english. im Irish and only write in english to you. You uneducated bum haha the queen your a funny guy who obviously thinks your funny. NOT! Slan go foil bud cunn

Travis Fellinger, can you please give me a call, I have been trying to reach you, guess you have changed your number. We would really like to talk to you. Thanks, Candy at 858/566-8151 or caplansearch@cs.com.

If I am correct about what you are looking for, Our company reviews accidents with the intent of using them as a learning opportunity. We have non-management folks investigate and do a 'root cause analysis'. Sometimes in repeat cases the crew leader or journeyman can get a letter or time off but that is rare. We don't want to put safety in a negative light. We don't use the person/crew members names but we let everyone know what went wrong and how to prevent future accidents. We have a very good work record and we do rubber glove 13.8kv from the pole.

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Could you try that again, please. Maybe the Queen's English would work for you, eh?

You talk alot off balls the south off ireland has no problems with religon u r getting confused with northern ireland and as for warm ale its cheaper and the beer is nicer over here than from the states. the only thing u got right about southern ireland is that it gets cold apart from that the work is good and the pubs and clubs r great loads off craic. slan go foil mo chara

Lot of variables here. Usually don't use strap when climbing towers. If you have steps, it will constanly get caught up. If you are climbing lattice you usually don't have a free hand to work the belt. If it's icey or windy you can use a belt assist, however; if it's that bad you shouldn't be up there in the first place. First steel tower I went up was looking down at the Colorado River at PAge, AZ. It was 180' lattice tower. My wrists were swollen for a week afterwards from holding on so tight. By the end of the job I was all over the tower like a monkey. Listen to your instructor and believe in yourself. Stay dedicated and study hard, it will all work out in the end.

Is is true that lineman climb towers with no safties while they are climbing? I had a teacher that works for PG&E and he told me that they climb towers as high as 300 feet and only use a safety when they get to the top.

Does anyone know where I could get information about pre apprenticships in Northern california beside PG&E or SMUD.I have heard that there are outside linework.

looking for info on incident review policies what does your company do?

What's your Email?

Lineman, in NEW ZEALAND, Interested in work in Ireland.

Talked to a recruiter last week about the system wide rebuild going on in Ireland. (this is not a job post...just info) From what I gathered during the converstation, One year committment. Will take Apes through Hard Heads. Must do three weeks of prove-up training, on the clock. Forty to Sixty a week average hours. Will work Ten to Tweleve days with one to three days off. I guess this is because of the WX in the winter time. $15 - $21 an hour. Shared Room provided with varied per diem. Doesn't sound to inviting for a skilled Journeyman. Might be a good start for an APE out of ground school who can't get their proverbial "foot-in-the-door". If you are thinking serious about it, learn to like warm Ale and better practice your Darts. Oh yeah, it's been a few years, but they get real pissed when you grab their gals or talk religion under the wrong roof.

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Try contacting IBEW locals 77 or 125. 125 is based out of Portland, OR. I'm not sure where 77's office is but I think its Seattle. 125 could give you the nunmber to Local 77. After you get the numbers stay on them and do everything they tell you to do to help yourself get selected. I had a 3.18 GPA coming out of high school and I was a high climber in the Logging industry on the west coast but they told me to take some correspondence courses in math and electrical theory to help myself out. I did what they said and got accepted the second year I applied. There where around 100 applicant for 12 apprentice slots. Its worth the effort, I've been a JRY for 6 years and have had the chance to work in 5 differnt states (which is just a pup compared to alot of the talent you may work with). Its a great job and the demand is growing every year. Also with the potential work back east rebuilding there gris this could be a great time to get in. Good Luck. Also try the yellow pages under Unions, look for any IBEW local if its not an Outside construction Local they can still get you the numbers and or info you need. Mabey we'll see ya on the ROW (right of way) some day, good luck.

Sparky, Isn't the main thing guys can do to assure that their skills are documented is make sure that they get into a program that is recognized by the US Bureau of Apprenticeship and Training? A good place to start looking might be the website for the department of labor. You can call your state office and ask about programs that are recognized in your state of interest. See the following webpage for links with office contact information etc. http://www.doleta.gov/atels_bat/fndprgm.cfm Good luck, Dave

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Matt, Apprenticeships are sponsered by various agencies and companies. If you are inquring about the IBEW sponsered Apppretice Lineman program, contact IBEW Local 77 in Spokane or 125 in PDX. Some utilities have their own Apprenticeship programs, but if they have an IBEW agreement they will more than likely use our Apprenticeship program. IPCO has their own program. Not a bad program, but not as good as ours. I know, I did both of them. If you go through our program, you have international recognition of your skills. If you go through an independent utility, such IPCO, you will constantly be asked to document your skills whenwver you go somewhere. In the long run, you are better to go with the IBEW's NJATC program. Kind of like a college degree, some are accredited and some are not.

I have been looking all over the internet trying to find some info on getting into the apprentiship and had no luck. So if someone could give me some info on getting into an apprentiship I would greatly appreciate it, thanks

I am currently recruiting linesmen and Supervisors for a two year contract based to the NW of Dublin. We are seeking all levels of Linesmen and will arrange work permits, flights and accommodation, your families are welcome to come with you. Please send your Resume to John@SCA-Search.com, I will then send you an information pack.

Hello all,I'm looking for Work in USA,but skilled in EVP,Cherrypicker and ladder work upto 25meters anyone knowing of a company/s that 100% use ethier of these?

Hello all,I'm looking for Work in USA,but on skilled in EVP

I am still trying to locate Efrain Alvarez. If anyone has seen or spoken with him lately, tell him I said hello and I hope he is doing great. He can reach me at 858/566-8151 or caplansearch@cs.com anytime. Thank you to anyone who can help me.

Anyone know starting apprentice wages down south for SELCAT?

Anybody know about any work in local 17 Detroit coming up in the new year?

anyone out there

Thanks for all the information, this is going to be so helpful! I really appreciate it.

anyone know of any jobs in or around the atlanta area? funny how this post keeps popping up

If you're interested in seeking more information about the Helmets to Hardhats program you can visit the www.helmetstohardhats.org website or call, toll free (866)741-6210. usmilitary.about.com/library/m...

I was just wondering about the hurricane and if there is any help needed down there. I live in maine and I graduated lineworker school last year and i have been looking forward to doing linework! if anyone knows where i might be able to contact if they could let me know! @ Brakeline9@aol.com Thanks

Try these four links below. Explain that he is overseas and up discharge. Ask them if they know about the program Helmets to Hardhats. Good Luck Local Union 53 Posted: 1/9/2003 11:55:42 AM 1100 E Admiral Blvd Kansas City MO (816) 4215464 Email: local53rep@hotmail.com Website: Business Manager: Lyle K. Querry Jurisdiction: Outside The nearest AJATC to your location is: MISSOURI VALLEY LINE CONSTRUCTORS JATC Address: PO BOX 271 INDIANOLA, IA 50125 Website: http://www.ajatc.org _______________________________________ Local Union 304 Posted: 1/8/2003 3:52:13 PM 3906 NW 16th Street Topeka KS (785) 2352301 Email: lu304@ibewlocal304.com Website: Business Manager: Paul E. Lira Jurisdiction: Outside The nearest AJATC to your location is: SOUTHWESTERN LINE CONSTRUCTORS JATC Address: 825 VERMONT LAWRENCE, KS 66044 Website: Not Available ________________________________________

My fiance is currently in the army and is overseas, but will be home and totally out of the army and will have to look for work next spring. He has left it to me to get all the information he needs and find him a school or apprenticeship in order to get hired in Missouri. My father belongs to the union in the Missouri/Kansas area, but works as a high voltage electrian at a plant and doesn't know what my fiance needs to do or where to send him to get him the education he needs since his job is at the plant and the journeymen linemen don't work through the power plants where he is. I have been searching and searching and I've found a few websites, but no way to contact people to find out about the Kansas City area or admissions into programs or even if there are any programs. Any help on this matter would be great. Thanks so much!

What about the 5.5 million people with no power on the east coast? How many out of state contractors will be going in to help? When your called out like that is it normal pay or time n a half?

hello fellow linesmen can any body give me info on work in iraq thank you

I have shirts/ coveralls/ t-shirts/ beer coolers/ golf balls lotsa stuff with different company logos (all new) Anyone want to trade?

There is a provision called the Defense Base Act where the U.S. government commits to covering Worker's Comp and insurance when invovled in an DOD contract. I found the Act on line and read it, found it fairly vague however.

A company wants you to be a subcontractor because that releases them from their obligation for workmans compensation, insurance, payroll taxes, etc. Puts it all on you and they have lower administration costs.

Why would being a subcontractor be bad?

Been talking with a fellow that subcontracts for Rutherfoord (sp). He claims they are rebuilding Iraq. I was told 360 hours a month for about $7,500 with six month commitment. Room and Board provided. However, the real hose job is they want to call you a "sub Contractor" employee. If anyone goes, make sure you take a full jar of KY. Another rep told me $21.00, seven twelves, six months commitment, room and board, $1000 week bonus if you stay the six months. I've seen this show before (left at intermission). When I querried this fellows about the small events called Iraqi resistance, I was told that the newspaper is just sensationalizing occurrances for monitary gain. ( better take two jars of KY with you if you go) Sounds a little like the Alaskan story about taking a handgun for personal protection when you're hiking in Bear country. As the story goes...you only need one bullet, just place the barrel firmly between "your" eyes before you fire. That way the Bear attack won't hurt as bad.

Get the cash up front.

Hey Candy, What's this I hear about guys you recruited not getting their promised hiring bonus. You string them along until they get settled in, then drop the bomb cause you know they won't pack up and leave with that much invested. No...I didn't make it up, read it online from some of the fella's that apparently know you.

EFRAIN ALVAREZ, IF YOU OR ANYONE WHO KNOWS YOU SEES THIS NOTE, CAN YOU CALL CANDY, RECRUITER WITH SDGE, ASAP. 858/566-8151 OR CAPLANSEARCH@CS.COM THANKS SO MUCH.

I am trying to locate Efrain Alvarez. He is a lineman in Seattle and I have lost all of my contact information. I am the recruiter here in San Diego. If Efrain or anyone who may know where he is, could call me I really would like to talk to him. Thanks, Candy 858/566-8151 caplansearch@cs.com

I have heard that the main contractor for re-building Iraq is Bechtel. Went on their site and applied and asked for a contact name but haven't heard back yet. Will let you all know when I hear more. Be safe.

Talked to a fellow the other day about work in Iraq. He mentioned that his company had been involved in Military Based contracts overseas for many years. I was very interested until he mentioned the part about me being an independant contractor. I have worked overseas and in the middle East before. The one thing I recall is the safety net a large company provides. Anybody else experienced overseas work as an "independent contractor"? Kind of want to learn a little bit about it before I shoot myself in the foot per se.

Sorry to hear about the loss. Here there or anywhere. Sorry BRO. (Mate)

Hey guys here is a website that has many liney jobs listed down here. www.careerone.com.au keywords lineworker lineperson linesperson or just search electrical and scrren the jobs Come on down

Last week we lost another one. Working under shutdown conditions HV earthed/short circuited. They thought the LV was dead but didn't check...... be careful out there guys!!

I got probed 3 times today. I have a Firewall set on Hi Security. My Norton Anti Virus Updates about daily. CrawKan internet provider supply's their own Virus MAILER-DAEMON. If you think this is one of the VIRUS JOKES we have been passing around go ahead and open it. You can check virus Hoaxs to make sure I am not pulling your leg. Steve This morning I got a Email { MicroSoft < Security@microsoft.com> INSTALL THIS PATCH Immediately. I have always had MicroSoft updates automatically Pop up on screen and never got one in Email so I did not open it. I was going to forward it to MicroSoft confirmation. I hit forward and my Norton went off with all the bells and whistles Dump this Email. I thought I was pretty well protected. With all the new Virus's I had be going to service provider and dumping unknown e-mails. Got lazy

Hello fellow linemen. I posted a message a few weeks back and have had no reply's. So im re-asking. I live and work in Northern ireland as an overhead lineman and want to go to the United States and live and work as a lineman. I was wondering if it would be possible for anyone with information, on companies who are hiring that would sponser for a work permit or green card to please get in contact with me. e-mail: vecoie@yahoo.co.uk. Thanks again for any help

Im in detroit Selcat called me today and said they have a job for me on monday in georgia......Im currently waiting on an application for Albat up here....What do you guys think i should do?

I saw on the news tonight about the last firefighter buried in New York today. His remains where never found. It remined me that 911 is fast approching and I found this and passing it on. Read the quotes and remember they are from our founding fathers 225 years before 9/11/2001. They aged well and we need to post them above our bed, so we are reminder of them every day. Blood of Heroes http://www.fdnylodd.com/BloodofHeroes.html

Digital_D has also posted on another site and seems real interested in the Trade. I havn't been across into Canada since 1974. May you can give him some imformation.

Hey everyone, I was just wondering if there are any power linemen from Ontario here who I could speak to about their job. I have been giving the job a lot of thought for a while now and I am about to get out there an start looking an apprenticeship. Any info you could give me would be great! Thanks in advance. You can reach me by email at digital_assault@yahoo.com. Thanks, be safe. David

tower painter (15yrs) looking for work.any one sees or knows of any tower painting going on please e-mail me...browlespaint@earthlink.net

While in the program you have no choice where you work. The commitee has full control over placement. This is done so the app is not stuck in one phase of the trainging and gets a well rounded education. Most apprentice programs do try to keep the apprentices at home. In Kansas they try to eep them on the overtime jobs to get the hours and help with road expenses. GOOD LUCK

Hello, all... I'm a newbie 'round these parts, but I just wanted to say that I've just been placed on NEAT's list. There were 52 people ahead of me, so not sure of my number. Out of the 9 folks who took the aptitude test, 5 were interviewed. I must have have done well in the interview because this past Thursday I received my confirmation from NEAT. Anyone have anything they would like to share about the apprentice life? One other question, Mr. Baker said that the first job we get would be out our home local, then depending on jobs we could be shipped throughout the 10 state (MA, RI, CT, NJ, NY, PA, ME, NH, DE, VT) region. When you're sent out of state how does the pay work? I'm under the assumption you'll be paying out of pocket expenses, so is it really worth travelling away from home? Thanks all. www.neat1968.org

Man I tell you. The Extra High Voltage bare hand crew screwed up big time. They were off loading steel arms off a flatbed. They had been warned that they was getting close to the 138 with the boom. They said they knew what they were doing. Well the long steel arms were either rigged wrong, or the slings slipped or one end was hung up. Because the arms tipped up and into the 138. I have had little information from anybody. Par and Quanta services bring out all this in safety meeting. Big secret. I think they killed another in Texas. Find out and I will post it.

hey batts,whats going on with par these days with all these accidents? you still working for them? they have had alot of deaths lately. who was killed and how? be safe.

Anchor Head, Were those choices in feet or inches???

Yeah I was wonderin the same thing......I met a guy that worked with comcast that had to go to some military base overseas a few years back to install security cameras and he made a shitload of $ there just on 8 hours a day plus from what he said there wasnt crap to do there so he would work like 12+ hours a day 7 days a week. when he got home he bought a house. But wouldnt the military have Lineman to do that? And if they needed guys would they just put a call into the union? Hell im trying to get into the trade and would go there in a heartbeat but I doubt theyd want anyone thats starting out?

Any body know if they are trying to get crews to go re-build Iraq. Heard there was some good money to be made. Let me know if you have anyone to contact. Thanks.

For all you thinking about breaking into the trade, this is how I did it. Started in the Power Company at the mail room level. Applied for a groundman position, worked as a helper for 8 months then made apprentice, topped out in '83, climbed poles and learned the trade from good and bad for 18 years. Yes, you can even learn from someone doing it wrong. I am now a troubleman making about $100K a year and am home every night. I have never worked non-union in the trade. Try getting your foot in the door with a Utility any way you can. I have helped guys from the warehouse, automotive, power plant and clerical break into line work. If we don't help each other and make the world a better place, who will? All this talk about a**kicking, grow up. We are not in high school anymore. I traveled the southwest and fought in martial arts tournaments for two years. Doesn't pay near as much as lineman work. When you get to the pearly gates, I don't think they are going to ask you how many people you beat up in your life.

You hit the man on the pole with a piece of 500 copper and the lineman, now that speaks loud about what kind of man the kitty is. Thanks for the invite to Houston, but I will stay here in Florida so I do not have to worry about being punked by the cat

does anybody know of any contractor out in Naveda doing some hiring. If so please email me a mrmeenor1@aol.com thanks.

Had to take a state licensing exam last week. Came accross a question that caught me. When staking a poleline, what is the required distance from a curb or sidewalk. Choices were two, three, five, or six feet. Poured through the new NESC text, but could not find it. Anybody want sooth my worthless ego and inform me as to where I can find the correct answer? Test is based on the Tenth ed of the handbook and 2002 NESC.

I have 3 brand new nomex suits, hooks and a belt, brand new hardhat, and various lineman tools. If interested in any please contact me. Timmbukktoo@aol.com

Mag Park, South Houston Dallas Street and Berry Road All 4 We were the big mobile rehab crews. We had a bucket, line truck, pole trucks and trailers crew cab. We looked like a moving power company. W.A. (Bill) Stark ran the Rehab Division 3 crews of Forman 2 head lineman 2 lineman, 4 apprentices, some crews had grunts and a pole truck and crew. I see in the Jounal the Bill past away a couple months ago. He must have been close to 100 years old > he retired in 1969. Was the last felt hat on the Docks No on the shooter. But in Tomball we had to go Get Screeching Bill Creech out of jail for biting a guys nose off in a fight. We were working hiline for Myers and couldn't get into the work vans he had the keys. Lighting was my apprentice. Every time he would get close to Jounreyman they would dock him 500 or a 1,000 hours for decking a forman or throwing a rattle snake at a GF.

Mey Max what you said sounds good. How cold one get into a management position?

NO, WE USE TO HEAR THOSE ABOUT THE OLD TIMERS CARRYING GUNS! BUT I GUESS THERE ALL GONE NOW! DO YOU REMEMBER THE STORY OF THE OLD CREW LEADER IN TOMBALL SERVICE CENTER! HE TRIED TO SHOOT ONE OF HIS GRUNTS FOR DATING HIS DAUGHTER! I MET LIGHTINING SOME YEARS BACK WHEN HE WAS WORKING FOR MYERS! YA, I TOPPED OUT IN MO-VALLEY & I'M WORKING IN THE SOUTH NOW. WHAT HL&P SERVICE CENTERS DID YOU WORK OUT OFF? AND THEN I CAN SEND YOU INITIALS OF GUYS I KNEW WHO TOOK THE SEVERERANCE PACKAGE BACK IN THE 90's. TRUST ME YOU WOULD'NT HAVE RUN ME OFF BECAUSE I'M A DAMN GOOD HAND WHO IS LIKED AND RESPECTED BY MY PEERS.

Hey bro your the one jumping bad. I got on getting out of the service. Probally did not know your uncle unless he was on a rehab crew they did not care for us. We where ruining thier conditions with us putting in a full day. Then I wasn't the only one. Check local 66 history. Bull Neck Jonhson, The Lineman that Dynamited the sub during a strike. I won't mention his name his son is still around. Remember Lighting (Apprentice Instructor) bank robbery with heliocopter and selling guns to the South Americans. Had a little Fed visit for that. Less see broke out in 98? Did you make Journeyman? Well when I was in 66 you wouldn't have. I got about 5 dumped in the last 5 years here in local 304 Topeka. That jumping bad now a days don't cut it. We had one on a peace bond here that could only work on some power company properties because he threaten a power company employee. Does some of the old time construction hands still carry 45s in their lunch kit? Where you working? I still got friends working for North Houston Pole Line and LE Myers.Maybe they can give me a run down on ya.

I'm entering a union apprenticeship program and would like to know what kind of work is out there. Do most companies layoff frequently, are there rainouts, and how much can I expect to make the first year. GreenHorn

YA! I DID 5 YEARS IN COFFIELD! AND I'VE BEEN ON THE 7TH FLOOR IN HARRIS CO. BIG DEAL!!!!! MY UNCLE WAS A HEAD LINEMAN AT HL&P FOR 25 YEARS! IF YOUR RECORD WAS THAT BAD HOW DID YOU GET HIRED!THATS ALL I WANT SAY LETS NOT TURN THIS INTO AN ISSUE. THE PAST IS BEST LEFT IN THE PAST!

Although we perform the most vital service of all of the trades, power line workers are considered a semi-skilled trade. There is nothing more important to the survival of civilization than electricity. Modern day society cannot function without our service. Firemen, policemen, EMS, etc., they get a lot of credit for providing a vital service to society. However, if the lines go down, if the cable goes bad, if there is a car pole, we fix it. How many of the people you know actually realize how vital electrical power is? Nothing works without electricity. No clean water, no sewage being pumped to waste treatment centers, no TV, no radio, as for phones they require electricity to function as well. We are facing a crisis of an overloaded grid and resources not being pumped into upgrading the system both from the transmission and distribution side. Any linemen who are 45+ are looking at retirement. In the next few years there will be a 10% attrition of linemen either into retirement or just simply too beat up and hurt to perform their jobs. Some companies feel that if a lineman cannot perform their jobs as listed in their job description they should be let go. Let me see, a guy gives 25-30 years of his life to a company performing in all kinds of climates, conditions, on holidays, sick and injured. So now is the time to let him go. Did I forget to mention that the amount of linework is expected to increase by 10-15% in the next six years. Let's see, I lose 10% of my skilled workforce and the work increases by 15%. A 25% swing. Not only that, but we have a generation now that does not want to do manual labor. We have become so politically correct that you cannot raise your voice to a grunt because they might file a grievance against you or claim that you are creating a hostile work environment. Sounds pretty gloomy doesn't it. How are we going to straighten this mess out? There is only one way fellas, linemen have to suck it up and make a concerted effort to move into management. I know that most of you are repelled by the thought, but think about it. Let's say that you are not happy with the way your company is being run. Do you spend the rest of you life whining about it? No, if the company is publicly traded you form a group or an association. Then you start purchasing enough of that company's stock to be noticeable. You go to the shareholders meetings and you voice your concerns because now you own part of that company. The only other way is to become part of management. Educate yourselves and do not expect the union to save you. I have been in this trade for twenty years and I have yet to see where management ever made significant sacrifices during a collective bargaining agreement. Change either comes from evolution or revolution. You decide.

Anyone out there thinking about moving out here to the islands think twice. I moved out here because my family thought it would be cool. I came to work for Maui Electric and thought these guys need some help but I quickly found out the whole company needs some help. There wages are the same as the west coast but the cost of living is 30% higher. A fixerupper house will cost 350,000$. Check it out for yourself. The have no respect for the trade and are the most ungrateful company I have ever worked for. Anyone considering a move out this way dont do it. You can make the same money most other places and if you pick wisely you can work somewhere that treats there workers like the trained profesionals we are. Out here they told us they don't need to appreciate us everyday because they do it every other friday. Work safe brothers. West Coast Hand.

whats the story on all the par electric hands getting killed? 2 in ma. 3 in tx. in last month.are they trying to keep quiet about it? any one know what happened and who were the guys killed and injured?

Can I just say to Big Cat and Steve Batts, YIKES! I'm pretty bad a** too! I've got 2 kids!!!! Pretty freakin nuts, and I'm married to a lineman, huh? How ya like me now? I'm just kiddin' I've got bigger issues to discuss. this is to 7th step's girl. I am also planning a coming out party, oh I mean a breaking out party, coming out is when you announce to the world that your gay right? Well, that is not he case but wouldn't that be kind of funny if I told everyone that is what they were coming too? Shoot my husband would tan my hide. Hmmmmmmmmm....Anyway, I'm getting a keg,Rib eyes and king crab are on the menu,were not made of money we're in Alaska we can get the King Crab ourselves.) I'll have my mom ship up 2 cases of corn on the cob. We'll run a muck at the beach I'm sure everyone will be trashed. I was thinking about hiring a taxi for the evening to get people home? I really have seen drunk driivng trash people's lives and i don't want a happy day over shadowed by tragedy. Do you think that I should not worry about it? I'm sure I won't be in any condiiton to drive myself. Anyway I'm sure my husband would want some stripper or something but tough he gets me instead! I'm sure if you provide good food and booze the party will take care of itself. I'm pretty sure they will roast him. God for his birthday the guys got him a blow up sheep, Baaaaa, the Barnyard Babe. Good Luck! Let me know what you come up with. Hey check out this website while your at it http://groups.msn.com/trampin It is for lineman's wives. ;-)

FEEDERMAN August 24, 2003 - 10:01:08 am - Posted by BIG CAT HEY FEEDERMAN! YOU THINK YOUR BILLY JACK BADASS! TRAMP DOWN TO HOUSTON AND ACT LIKE YOUR SHIT DON'T STINK! I KNOW THEM BOYS WILL LET YOU KNOW HOW GOOD AND HARD YOU REALLY ARE! LET US KNOW HOW IT WENT! Another load mouthed punk big cat. I was born on the North Side. Was raised in Irvington Courts ( North Side Projects) Went to School at Jeff Davis High. Worked the Rehab crews for Houston Light and Power. Converted 4160 to 7200 between Buffalo Bayou and Berry Road all the way down Jensen Drive. Owned the 4 Aces Strip Club a block south of Berry and Jensen. Rehabed all the Ship channel area around Navigation and Harrisburg. Been Stabbed 3 times and shot in the back once. Don't come to this site and jump bad. You want to be bad go to any of the above locations AND JUMP BAD. You wouldn't last 5 minutes before some one capped your @$$. I found out after spending money on fines and bondmen and a few trips to the Harris County Jail and Houston Jail I wasn't as bad as I thought. In Harris County Jail they appoint hard timers forom the prison systems back to stand trial as cell capitans. Now those BOYZ are some bad @$. Hope you meet a couple. Wise Up.

I graduated from nlc 2 yrs ago and work for PGandE. A lot of the guys in my class work for utilities. while I was there a lot of employers from all over the place visited the guys got some good jobs. In my classes now I am way ahead of the other apprentices becuase most of it I know from nlc. I recommend it to anyone wanting into the trade.

Highpoles, how long ago did you graduate and where are you working now? Just curious.

hey all, my husband is (finally! after fighting for hot time) about to top out of his apprenticeship and i'm throwing him, as promised when we got into this trade, a party. so ... suggestions, guys? anything? i don't want this to be some stupid run-of-the-mill gathering. so, all you think on the job types, get creative. tell me what a hard-earned journeyman's test deserves by way of celebration. i know it's not your typical serious hot stick vs hands on or climb it vs ride it discussion, but humour me. sarahdawn@NOSPAMlycos.com ~peace, sarah

Bill Waugh taught me how to spell it. I tried to teach him to fly. Guess who did a better job?

I was just looking through here and found some comments on Northwest Linemans College,located in Meridian,Id. I graduated from the school and it amazes me when folks talk about something they know nothing of.The staff at the school are all journeymen with multiple years in the trade,and it's not some fly by night deal.DAMN GOOD school and I would invite people to stop by take a tour and then decide.Like anything else in life you might end up with a cull if your an employer.But by and large people graduating from that school are dedicated to this trade and bust their humps to make a good name for themselves.Don't make your desicions based on one individual or what they may have heard.Use your own mind and decide for yourself.

Anybody got any scoop on the work scene outside the USofA.

I'm a lineman from local 126 Philadelphia. Everyone out there keep this in mind. When working in local 70 (washinton D.C. area) they DO NOT teach there apprentices pole top rescue. A local 70 hand (J.C.) let our apprentice burn to death on a pole until the utility finally arrived to get him down. Some lineman hugh? We have been told this is due to no PTR training in there local.

HEY FEEDERMAN! YOU THINK YOUR BILLY JACK BADASS! TRAMP DOWN TO HOUSTON AND ACT LIKE YOUR SHIT DON'T STINK! I KNOW THEM BOYS WILL LET YOU KNOW HOW GOOD AND HARD YOU REALLY ARE! LET US KNOW HOW IT WENT!

I BROKE OUT IN HOUSTON BACK IN 98', I HAVE NEVER BEEN ANYWHERE THAT TREATED GRUNTS AND APPRENTICES AS BADLY AS THE GUYS OUT OF THE L.U. 66! THE FIRST OVERHEAD CREW I WORKED ON, THE FOREMAN AND LINEMAN WERE REAL PRICKS! ONE DAY THE FOREMAN THREW GOT PISSED AND THREW AN OD DIE AT ME FROM OFF OF THE POLE AND KNOCKED MY HARD HAT OFF! I WAS REALLY PISSED, I FOUND A PIECE OF 500 COPPER ABOUT 18" LONG AND WAITED FOR THAT PRICK TO COME DOWN! WHEN HE WAS ABOUT 3 FEET OFF THE GROUND I KNOCKED HIM THE KIDNEYS AND OFF THE POLE HE WENT. I POPPED HIS ASS COUPLE MORE TIMES THEN I TURNED ON HIS SKINNY LITTLE LINEMAN AND POPPED HIS ASS A FEW TIMES! NO OTHER GRUNT OR APPRENTICE DID OR SAID A THING.AND FOR THE NEXT 2 YEARS NO ONE EVER GAVE ME ANY SHIT! SOMETIMES YOU GOT CRACK SOME HEADS TO MAKE THINGS BETTER!

Union Or Nonunion It doesn't matter which. We have got to stop the economy from going into the dumper. Check out the site below and get some insite about the Democratic Canidates for 2004. Also remember which of these A$!ES voted for NAFTA. Video: AFL-CIO Working Families Presidential Forum http://www.aflcio.org/issuespolitic...dates_forum.cfm __________________ Steve (batman) Batts

re: Just an opinion, My grandad used to have a saying " There are definetly more horses asses in this world than there are horses to hold them." I too, have worked with some lineman that I truly respected for what they would and could teach me. I learned from those who deserved the respect. The idiots were quickly identified by myself and I got away from them asap. On the flip side, when I became in a position of teaching apprentices, If an apprentice needed some attitude adjustment, he found himself digging pole holes or trenching. I made it clear that each pole hole or trench was necessary and a good job was needed, but if you got on the digging crew, you automatically knew that you were there for some " basic training ". I think that if you ask around, most all of my a.p.'s will tell you that they never felt threatened and felt safe at all times. The journeymen that they are now are all productive. That is not to say that some of those a.p.'s didn't drag. some did. But those we were glad to be shut of. I will never see the need to disrespect a fellow lineworker. He has way to much to be concerned with just bringing some power to mama making toast in a toaster or a fresh cup of coffe for me! ( Or crushing some ice for my next mergarita.) Work safe drwelect

Hey guys I think that sucks having to deal with a foreman that treats you that way. Sure on any type of job in any kind of trade your goin to have personalities that clash but espically in this trade due to the dangers involved everyone needs to put that petty crap to the side and all look out for each other and get the job done. I'm goin to be gettin into SELCAT soon and I know that I'm starting out at the bottom and will prolly have some guys making fun and joking but you have that on any job site. Guys making threats? what kind of crap is that? Thats weak and unprofessional. In my opinion in any kind of trade beginners look up to the guys that have been there and are running the show. Any journeyman or foreman that maliciously talks down to anyone would loose my respect instantly and would have me questioning why I got into the trade. You guys all seem cool and maybe I'll be working for or with some of you oneday. Just my $.02

I Happen to stumble across this board when I was reading the resume posting. It was a very interesting story to read "Bulletman's" story and the sequel by Mr. Stevenson. Recently our company have upgraded the working standards for every man on board: Management, crews, apprentices, support personnel, etc. All because we had an incident involving an abusive Crew foreman towards a 3rd step apprentice. In simple terms, this foreman had issue several violent threats against the appr. and it was reported, but ignored. The result, several people were fired, including the foreman, and the personnel manager. The apprentice filed a lawsuit which it was settle. So, I would like to read some input about linemen, and foremen who act in a violent way. I think people get into our trade for learning and for a good living. And I also think, that different people learn in a different way. But the violence has come mainly, and I think is right to say it, from racial and personal attitudes towards people from other parts of the country. In this case we had an appr. from the Mid-west, and a Foreman from the North. In any way, we have adopted "absolute" zero tolerance towards any violence, or discrimination issue of any kind. You could say we lost some good hands about this. But I think we actually never had them. I would like to hear some input. Thank you, You all stay cool, and be Safe. Please, I would like to request, that when you write about it, no to use any profanity, I am looking for serious thoughtful answers.Thank you!S. McCarthy

Sorry Anthony, there isn't anything you can say that will cause me to lose any sleep. However, if you want to impress me, how about posting something that relates to linework. Something that we can make some informed comments about. As for saving your ass, if I ever saw or worked with a linehand that was in trouble you can bet that I would do everything to help that individual, even you. As for the post about about bulletman, I can see where a man would go to extreme measures to protect himself and his family. It is very interesting to know "the rest of the story", as Paul Harvey would say.

This is for all the kids who want to be lineman.Ask your self what if.

I sure can come up with a better handle than 3rd year.Read my name, and if you have issues, let me know. I didn't know you could be offended so easy by a prick like me.And Feederman, I sure wouln't ask for someone of your caliber to save my ass, all the same, the talk was for the fun of it. So don't be so fricking offended baby. Anthony Reyes

I've been retired for more than 25years from business. The guy bulletman(real name)talks about was a real as.h...I was surprised to read about it. John how are you doing kid? I see you made it all right. I am going to tell more about the story if you don't mind, I won't compromise you in any way. I was the circuit owner at the time. And This particular foreman was a bad, bad ass. He was a big man, but not as big as john. I remember John telling him to cool off with his cussing and throwing things at him. I think the whole thing exploted when the foreman told john he was going to kick his ass and screw up his wife if he didn't watch it.Also, the day before, John's tires were all slashed to pieces by who knows who. This as.h...kept laughing about it. John did what he have to do to stop the herassing and the cops came and didn't even flicker about it because it was in self defense to john's family. I think it was a relief for a lot of apprentices that someone stood up to that foreman. A year later they got into hands, and sure enough, that foreman was left in pieces, and retired right afterwards. The department's attitude just went up in the young guys. So I think It was good. I'm sure John wrote it in anger, but sometimes you get caught in past moments like that. John I hope to hear from you more. I'll get in touch with you. BY the way, Mr. 3rd year apprentice, You have nothing to say about Mr. Fuentes. If you are having a problem with a lineman. Iron it out on the job, and not behind the screen. I think you acted as a coward by calling Mr. Fuentes names. Mr. Feederman, I've seen real lineman going after john. They were no match for him. R.S.

I guess my feelings should be hurt now that I have an apprentice calling me names. You couldn't come up with a handle better than 3rd year apprentice? Be careful who you choose for your heroes kid.

I think the edit makes it more fun to read, John showed some passion all be it a little off the wall. The total censorship of a post like this would be a crime. Max lighten up a bit,John you would be a prison lineman or dead if you pulled that shit in the real world with a real lineman. 3rd step if you think that you can get by in this business being a major asshole, as a 3rd year grunt you need to rethink about line work as your trade, the same people that you treat like shit are the same people that may save your life down the road or maybe not. Webmaster keep up the great work and you do not need to F...ing edit this post ALL BE SAFE

What is the matter "Max" Fuentes? It just sounds like it tickled you a bit. I Bet you were or are one of those people who think they are God this and that. Wherever the hell you are, you suck! I'm having a bit of a problem with a bad ass lineman who thinks he is all threre is. I'm definetly taking "Bullet's" advice and side of the stoty. "Bullet", you are all right! I'D would like wporking for someone like you. P.S. Webmaster, please don't take this one out, it is a must see for those who need encouragement to speak out for themselves against the ignorants like mexi "Maxi" cryimg girl.

Why edit? Just delete it. The whole thing is a piece of garbage. If you start to allow these types of posts it will degrade the message board into a series of name-calling and profanity filled nonsense.

Well what do you know, I had to edit this one........

For all of you who are being spit by stupid a..... linemen or foremen: Year's back, I had an as.... "union" foreman who was all GOD. Well, let me tell you. I'm used to carry "Liss" with me. She is a 357 magnum full of lead. I got that m...f... by the neck and put "Liss" inside his fu.... mouth, told him "if you ever talk like that to anybody around me, I f...ing give you a lead pill that might just pacify you for good. That s.o.b. did not bark ever since. when he Told the superintendant about it, the good old boy superintendant told the bit..," You got what you were looking for". A year later I kicked that m...f's ass in pieces, to the point that he decided to retire. I been a general superintendant for 20 years. I still carry "Liss" with me, and no mother f....r union or non union lineman or foreman f's with me. By the way.I am 6 feet 8 inches, all muscle, and 58 years old, and anytime I see an asshole treating my apprentices bad, I tell the f..er's, If you get a kick in the ass for playing asshole God, I will kick yours as well; and I tell young guys to stand by themselves to any mother f...r as... who intimidates them. Believe me boys, the best medecine for this f..er's is to kick their ass good and hard. My boss is laughing, I got to go! Carry your own "Liss" and f... the good for nothing GOD Lineman or God Foreman. I promise you, they will leave you alone. Jonh"Bullet"

On Monday August 11, I was doing some switching on one of our UG circuits in a residential subdivision. Just as I was about to plug the elbow onto the hot bushing in the transformer the developer drives up and asks me how long before we restore power. I looked up at him and said we never had you out of power. Then he tells me that the whole subdivision is out of power. I'm running the only crew out there so I know it was nothing we did. I tell the other lineman to hold on while I go to check it out. I drive over towards our UG switching cabinet but decide to give dispatch a call. Well Lo and behold it wasn't us that deenergized the circuit. Some numbnut new technician hit the wrong button in dispatch and dropped several substations, In an instant 70,000 people out of power. Then to hear about what is going on, on the east coast, pretty weird.

Sean If you want to work in this line of work than you go where the work is at, union or non union.You want to get a foot in the door than go to work for the people that are hiring, if the IBEW has no positions,working for a contracter gives you that foot in the door that the union cannot.Max is correct that the union labor force is getting long in the tooth but,just remember the low man on the pole is always the first to be let go when push comes to shove so beware of utilities with union representation, or enjoy riding the pine down at the hall after 6 months of work. Make wise choices in this business, put food on the table and take care of yourself and your family, worry about all the other bullshit later ALL BE SAFE

Sean, where are you seeking work? As I have stated in earlier posts there is plenty of work in California. Pacific Gas and Electric, Sacramento Municipal Utility District, Southern CA Edison, San Diego Gas and Electric, Los Angeles Dept.of Water and Power. Southern California is releasing more work for residential subdivisions. Are you only open to working for contractors? As for the future, we have a rapidly aging workforce and we are at the beginning of seeing a lot of retirements in the industry. I would concentrate my efforts on utilities because you still have the benefits of being in the union, receiving training and not having to travel. Max Fuentes

Ok guys whats going on with ibew and no work. I checked all the web sites and most locals are not even getting to book 2, and the app. are laid off. Tried contacting my local about training but no answer as of yet. Whats the work future look like industry wide?

To Max The term "piece a shit grunt" means that you don't know shit, and as you learn you gain the respect of your peers. Everyone has worked with a foreman that was a major asshole that cussed and would throw material at you over the littlest error,but that was and still is part of the business,if you cannot handle it than get out now. Max,I do not treat my crew like shit nor does the management treat us that way,we are all adults and act that way on the job from the piece a shit grunt all the way up to the piece a shit foreman and that person is me. P.S. Max thanks for the insanity comment my crew does agree with but Iam really crazy not insane

hey your last sentence said it all; "you have to want it bad enough to do it any way you can". Hey partner, play it like ya talk it. Quit complaining and just do it! Ya want it, GO FOR IT!!!! NO EXCUSES

This trade is so tough on families. Which can be a slap in the face to those just starting out in it. There is a website for your better halves, http://groups.msn.com/trampin/_homepage.msnw?pgmarket=en-us Have your wives, girlfriends, fiances, partners, whatever, check it out. Trust me we have alot to say and alot of good advice. A little sisterhood to accompany the brotherhood. A few words of wisdom....Go make lots of money so me and the kids can spend it! Happy Trails, Brrnae

I'm looking to sell a Baslin 88BP backsaver belt-28D. It's only been used for one month. Also included with the belt,Baslin 25A nut bag, Bashin 111-HLS tool holder and 7 ft Nybuck pole strap w/tongue buckle. New company provided all new equipment so looking to sell belt cheap. Email me at linwood_b@hotmail.com and make offer.

To Feederman: The days of treating people like shit are gone. If you work for any company that allows that type of environment you are opening yourself up for termination and possibly a civil lawsuit for creating a hostile work environment and discrimination. Do I agree with the politically correct environment, yes and no. I agree that new grunts should never allow a lineman to work a shovel or a tamp on the crew when they can do it. The work area better be clean and the linetruck spotless and stocked by the grunts and apprentices. But to treat people like shit is not acceptable. I grew up in an age where the grunts were the lowest things on the planet. I had lineman yell, cuss and throw things at me from the pole. Those guys were the biggest assholes at the company. They were the most insecure and least knowledgeable linemen at the company. When I worked for lineman who truly knew their trade it was a privilege. They laid out their jobs, the tools, material and equipment were on all tarps in the order in which they were to be sent up the handline. They actually took the time to teach the apprentices about the trade. That was the kind of lineman I wanted to be so that I could carry on this great tradition. Let me ask you something feederman; do you learn better when management treats you like shit? Do you feel more respectful to management when they create an environment where they strut their superiority? Probably not. Then why do you believe you can recreate the same environment for your "grunts" and expect a different result? You know the definition of insanity is "doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result". Keep your feet in the clear and your hands will do the rest. Stay safe

What ever happened to the days when you joined this trade as piece a shit grunt and worked your way up by earning the respect of your mentors??? You spent your day busting your ass in the field and then at night in the books learning the tech side of the business.Lets see if we can leave the union vs non union beef out of this and just maybe give some insight to the next generation. ALL BE SAFE

I totaly agree with you Max. Just as I stated in an earlier post. Stay safe and seek good training. That's the best way ensure a good chance of reaching a retirement, not a workman's comp claim. I also recommend a union apprentiship program.JATC. drwelect

Okay guys here is the truth. I used to be the vice-president of NLC and I was the president of Trade Tech in California. At both institutions we believed that if we provided well-trained and educated people that we could fill job positions at the apprentice level for electrical contractors and power companies. The catch is this; the school is like a feeder system for those types of jobs, in order to have success a line school has to establish a relationship with an employer that is willing to accept the graduates from that program. The electrical contractors are typically more willing to do so rather than the power companies. Why you ask? Because large companies are typically mandated to open those positions to the general public, even though you are a graduate from a line school your placement and success with a power company is not guaranteed. For instance; at the Sacramento Municipal Utility District we have open positions for pre-apprentice linemen. Even though you have an NLC certificate you will still have to pass a written exam and a three-stage series of climbing tests to make our hiring list. Most municipalities, IOU's (investor owned utilities) require experience, OJT, for them to hire you as an apprentice. It gets even tougher than that. If you have documented hours through the union your chances of getting hired as an apprentice greatly increases. Now, if you went to work for a non-union outfit like Irby, Red Simpson, etc. you probably will not have documented hours detailing de-energized, live-line work, distribution, transmission, troubleshooting, etc. Here is my advice to those of you still seeking a career in line work. 1)Fill out applications for the power companies they provide the best benefits and are union-represented. The training is second to none. 2)If you don't get on with the power companies join the JATC and go to work for the union contractors. As for working for the non-union outfits, I recommend against it. Their training programs are virtually non-existent as are their safety programs. I cannot tell you how many times I have received long distance phone calls from my former apprentices who went to work for those outfits and they have described terrible work habits and a blatant disregard for OSHA or any other safety program in the performance of their work. One last thing; if you want to hedge your bet and try to get an apprentice position I would suggest coming out to the lineman's rodeo October 14-17 in Kansas City, Missouri. There will be companies from all over the US and the world competing and recruiting people. If you want to see a good definition of what the term Journeyman means I have posted an article on my web page, www.performxcel.net under the article section, check it out. Stay safe out there, Max Fuentes

I am in the same boat you are. I am a graduate of nlc. I liked what I did there but, after that they don't really help ya out as much as they said they would. what a waste huh? Guess we learned the hard way!

personally, I wish I still had all that money I spent...so does my wife!!

Looking for a break into the lineman's trade brings lots of highs and lows. As a graduate of Northwest Lineman's College you get caught up with the professional package they have there. You do get excellent training and the instructors are great, but keep in mind that they are a business all their own. When you are done however, you are on your own and the race is still competitive. It doesn't matter what the lineman, in general, think. They will just be impressed if that new apprentice actually knows how to run a shovel. The real question is, "What do the hiring employers think of the college? what does the industry think? I am not sure the college has convinced those that hire that they are necessary. The irony is to have to go across country for your first apprenticeship only to find out that so and so's brother in law (who has no electrical experience) got the job you wanted so badly near your hometown. The final point in the matter is that you have got to want it bad enough to do it any way you can.

Hey guys wondering if someone could tell me where apprentices usually stay while there in an apprenticeship that requires allot of traveling?.....does the contractor set up guys in a hotel or motel near the work???

Does anyone know where Joel Bebermeyer has moved? He moved from Tennessee and I would like to talk to him. My name is Candy, phone 858/566-8151, email candycaplan@cs.com.

The local CBS affiliate ran a story 2 nites ago that 3 utility companies were going to file permits to built a new nuclear power plant near the old one(Clinton, Illinois). No specifics on size, BUT the only detail was that it would be the first one to get built in 30 years. I wanted to post this cause if anyone out there has construction experience for these things it could be a big job. Clinton was about 6-7 years and a lot of man hours. BUT REALLY does anybody think the NRC is going to give anybody a permit to build a new plant? I suppose some legislation for a central spent fuel disposal site would be convienent about now. Any predictions????

Asplundh Tree Expert Co. has 60 openings for Line Erector (job site located at 27330 Ecorse Road, Taylor, Michigan) to install, maintain and repair electrical distribution and transmission systems including overhead and underground powerlines and cables, insulators, conductors, lighting arrestors, switches, transformers and other associated equipment. Erect and maintain steel, wood and concrete poles, towers and guy wires. Splice, solder and insulate conductors and related wiring to connect power distribution and transmission networks using splicing tools, related electrical equipment and tools. Inspect and test overhead and underground powerlines, cables and auxiliary equipment using electrical test equipment. Climb ladders or operate hydraulic buckets when working aloft on poles and towers or working in confined spaces, such as trenches and tunnels or installing powerlines and cables and associated equipment. Use of rubber gloves, hotsticks and other tools. Requires High school diploma and I.B.E.W. certification as a journeyman-lineman. Salary: $29.96 per hour. Job duration: 11/01/03 to 11/01/2004. Work period: 40 hours per week. Work hours: 7 am to 4 pm, M-F. Send resume to Reference Number 231498, Michigan Department of Career Development/Employment Service Agency, P.O. Box 11170, Detroit MI 48211. M/F/V/D Source - The Detroit News and Detroit Free Press - Detroit, MI

looking for more info on jobs in Detroit. can any one help?

Lackeynet1@ckt.net Mail away. Just got back to Kansas, Was Suning My @$$ on Grand Lake in OK

Hey guys...In todays Detroit News (sunday the 20th) theres an ad for a company needing 60 Journeyman Lineman......just Lookin out for anyone who needs work

Lamar Colorado is seeking Journeyman Lineman, Operators and Grunts. G.E. is funding a windmill job. Collecter(windmill).The fans on the windmill are 150'long, 300' Diameter, underground to a brand new being built substation, out to 40 Miles of needed to be built Transmission into Lamar CO. To take a call or get information, Call Local 12 in pueblo, CO. (719) 561-8000. Will need 35 lineman, and the rest follows, Currently there are active calls unfilled. Help the I.B.E.W. keep our work, lets man this and make some money!

My neighbor is an SCE Construction Coordinator and is giving me his personal recommendation, encouraging me to get a job w/SCE. I have no experience but I'm a lineman wanna-be. Does anyone have any advice for me? I need tips on where to look for that entry level job and then how to get it!! I'm very capable...........

I was wanting to discuss something with ya, can you post your email?

i didn't say linemans school teachs u everything i'm just trying to get an edge when it comes to the hireing process seeing how hard it is to become an apprentice

does anyone know of any job is or around the Atlanta, GA area?

Hey, would love to hear from old friends and co-workers i have met through the yrs.Especially you Joe Spivey.My e-mail>>.deadendz@bellsouth.net e-mail em man

Hi Fellow Lineman,...Lineman gt paid to Get High LoL

Lineman college My @$$. It is a piss poor votech that you pay for. Try the IBEW Program that you only buy books and recieve 23 college credits to complete.All the time making a good wage, retirement, and plenty of real life climbing, arm changing and more instructors (Every Lineman on the Crew) When I started it was 2 years On the Job Training. No books. After 2 years and you were still alive you were a Jouneryman or gone. Feederman is right. There is also need of the bookwork and theory or we are just a bunch of monkey's doing the mans grunt work. Twenty years ago we were classifed as unskilled labor. According to Dept. of Labor then we were classifed below truck driver. This is were the IBEW program stepped in with what is now the present program and gave us a skilled program. Without these upgrades Dept of Labor would still have us in the unskilled trades.

Grundy I like the real world for the hands on training, the classroom is fine for the book smart side of the business.That is just my opinion

i don't know what lineman colleges you've been to Feederman but we don't just climb bare poles for time at NLC. we change out cross- arms, insulators. restring conductor, install grounds work hot sticks, install o.h and u.r.d transformers set poles pull poles operate trucks and machinery climb lattice towers h- structers and install meters. thats just the outside work we also take classes on electrical theory, transformer theory, math, grounding, rigging. so if you think they just teach us how to climb fast your wrong

The good of the union is to be enrolled in a good comprehensive program that will teach you progressively the different phases of this trade. There are out there excellent to deficient union programs as well. The best programs are the ones that will trained you in all phases of line work with the best contractors or utility companies available. Ask questions about the intensity and availability of such programs. If you can afford it, there are excellent lineman schools throughout the country that can also lead you in the right direction to obtain financial help from companies or the goverment as well, you may want to inquire with the labor department in your state about this. If you stay in an apprenticeship doing only distribution or else , you need to change contractors and allow yourself to forge competent lineman skills by working with experienced lineman in different areas of this trade. This carreer is very demanding and requires commitment. The financial and personal rewards are there for those who want to go the mile to become a true and authentic Journeyman lineman. Good luck to you.

Looking for a municipality, p.u.d ,r.e.a

Aussie Lineman, lots of experience, Construction, Maintenance, faults, OH, UG 15years Agrade as well as LH and Supervisor exp. Lookink for work,(I have a good job now but have itchy feet) All locations considered!!!

Thanks for deleting Stephen's post, like I said this place is for REAL working men and women not a billboard for junk email

Hello Feederman. . . UTILX, (Wiredynamix) is not the only non-union company that I have worked for and had been dissappointed in. You brought that up in my handle. I followed the company policy at all reasonable levels. But. . . I'm not going to get into another pissing match with you over that. To you Apps, or waiting to be apps, This is just typical of why I stay away from rat outfits. You can,t shake'em off! Besides the problems that that company had, Other non-union company's made promises for raises at intervals and then cited budget problems, your performance, or other issues beyond your personal control to keep you from getting the money that you understood that you had coming. Union shops work under a clear contract with your employer to see that you are paid as you expect. If your performance is lacking then you are let go or you make the next lay-off list, learn from that and do better with the next job. You are not abandoned, unless you deserve it. Not so with rat outfits. Your performance will be evaluated by both your immediate forman and the apprenticeship committee from guys that have worked where you are. Not from some management dude that came out of college and never spent a day out in the field. As you have seen by the recent posts, there are places taking in apprentices. I know that in some of your personal situations that travel may be tough, but believe me, it's worth it. I am not getting any overtime right now but my pay is steady @ $32.11 per hour working 4/10's. 3 days off a week grossing 1284.40 a week. Not bad, huh.

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is there any work for apprentices in or around savannah,ga.?

this is a cool site... great job!!!

HELLO

Local 17 in Southfeild Michigan is taking apps for apprentice lineman Aug 25-29 from 9-11am

just trust your instincts. if you make a mistake learn from it and don't repeat it again. Also contact your local.

i am just a lonely app. linemantrying desperately trying to make it in this business. Yet, it seems to be somewhat confussing. So many choices i mean, union or non, going to college or waiting for a ticket to come along. i feel like there are alot of men who want to break into this trade for whatever reason,but also have families and bills. Bottom line is no one can really afford to starve. some down to earth suggestions along with sound advice (maybe even a phone # your discreation of union or non) would be helpful to anyone not knowing which way to turn.