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apprenticeships in az are usualy every fall but,the company told us yesterday that we are restructuring again. so who knows. only way in is to start as a grunt as a temporary worker then get perminant and then an apprenticeship.

If what you are saying is true, get advice from a copyright lawyer and take action against TLF.com. If you state that the artwork is copyrighted when you produce it, you have legal claim to get TLF to stop. If you state that the artwork is copyrighted AND register it with the US Copyright Office, the courts can fine the violator up to $250,000 per occurance. If you are going to produce artwork for sale, copyright it. The form is easy to fill out by yourself, it costs only $20 and takes about 2-3 months to get back from the US Copyright Office. I do it now because I was at one time in your shoes. Copyright infringement is no different than someone robbing you or burglarizing your house. Good Luck.

To all concerned The Linemans Factory.com Has stole my art work so he can use it on his website. He took my logo of a vinyl sticker of a cartoon pee-boy geting zapped on top of a pole. He is also using other text on the shirts.I don't think this guy is a lineman.He doesn't respect other peoples artwork.

i need info on lineman apprenticship in AZ

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Mike: If you are not able to call during the day, feel free to email me at: aq@lineman.com. Aaron

Powerlineman: Interestingly enough, there are not a lot of people who can name all three JATC's in the west. You're showing your cards. Regardless, I thought I would forward this memo from our training director to help clarify the service we provide at Northwest Lineman College (lineman.com): _____________ LADWP completed all of their interviewing yesterday. They tested, did the physical skills test, and interviewed everyone. Dick indicated that our students interviewed very well. Most of them scored 99 or 98 out of 100 on the interview portion. Evidently this is very high as the current average interview score is in the mid 80's. In addition, they said that the successful pass rate of the written test is about 50% and yesterday our students achieved 80%. Every student that interviewed yesterday will be offered a position. ______________ AH

Mike: It appears that you put your education to good use and made the correct decisions on the right-of-way. The Portland and Missouri Valley JATC's were both in last week. Los Angeles Department of Water Power was in today. Give Russ a call and he can provide you with the contact information. AH

So you went to this high-tension school and the best they could do for you was to get you a job with a scab outfit! You're just now researching the JATC? Didn't the Portland, Mountain States or Cal-Nev JATC send someone to the school to recruit you? How much money did you pay for this great service?

I thought i would just catch up and add a few more things about my exper and current situation. I grad from NLC and am currently working for a non union contractor. What I have to say is just my opion and it may not agree with everyone elses position on the issue. First going to NLC provided me with the BASICS. Thats a very important thing for any1 planning to goto or has gone to a lineman college to understand. Im in an apprenticeship at the time as a second step apprentice. My personal goal is to reach Journeyman statis. However, Im in no rush. If it takes me 4 years or 10 years to reach journeyman statis than thats what it will take. I would rather learn the correct way and the SAFE way than the fast and wrong way. when i reach my goal of journeyman i want to be compendent and well educated, not just a person pushed through or a "know it all". Right now im working for a non union contractor, and to be honest about it, its given me a whole new prospective of the trade. Not to get down on non union, perhaps its just the company im working for now but the apprentice program im in is anything but well structerd. Pretty much the only good education i get is by asking ALOT of questions and reading my lineman book. I just got off of working storm damage in the mid west and am grateful for attending NLC. My 2nd week in the trade i was asked to install grounds on a trans line, the grounds were rusted and had shorts in them and when i asked for a hotstick & gloves I was told i didnt need one. About 100 feet away there was a dist line running under the trans line and wind gusts up to 20mph. When asked where else it was grounded at or if any1 else was working on the line I was told that they didnt know. I may have been right and I may have been wrong but I refused to do it w/o a journeyman w/ me in the bucket, proper grounds and a hot stick. The other incident was when i was asked to install guts on a hot dist crossing. Thats something I wanted to learn but have never done b4. Once again i asked for a journeyman to show me as i acompanied him, I got a weird look and then he said " didnt they do that at NLC". If it wasnt for attending NLC i wouldnt have known about the safe way to install grounds, or many more pos hazards. They grounds were installed by another eager apprentice, without any safety equiptment and all was fine but it was a chance i wasnt going to take just to hurry and get the job done to look good. I am currently on the clipping in crew, clipping in the conductor & Static using buckets on H Structors. I work with 2 other apprentices, a groundman and a no journeyman foreman. He knows alot more than i do, however he has never got a journeyman card or even entered an apprenticeship. We clip about 2 to 3 miles a day staying right behind the sagging crew. then go back and put up spacers when we get caught up. I was shown how to do it twice, now im in the bucket on my own and am still trying to get use to focusing on whats going on around me not just in front of me. We have a talboard meeting every monday, it consist of the crew signing a paper and going to work, the process takes about 2 mins. I am currently still in the hiring process for BPA and am also starting to research the JATC. Need to take a algebra class and then im applying. What i have learned about union is their employees come first, not the job and how fast you get it done. I would much rather work for someone who I can trust, ask questions to, learn and feel safe than a company more worried about profits. Perhaps ive just had a bad experiance with the company im with, and not every non union contractors the same. but its def left a bad taste in my mouth. I hope i havent affended anyone, but if i did im sorry.

anyone interested email me at hamill88@attbi.com Gary

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My apologies for the site being stale....ELineman.com is undergoing major redesigning. Should be all complete withing the next 7-10 days.......yeah right, you've all heard that before huh?!

who here likes rats.

Anybody have any information on Transmisson construction work for the 2002 summer. Journeyman card, willing to travel and work long hours. oty@alaska.net

Yes,I do.Not as much as I do!!YeaeeeeYea Chill'n in O.C. is my place to be.

Does anyone out there know how much Lineman make In New Zealand???

Hi all you fellow linesman, any body know who's hiring in the UK, I hear Ireland are embarking on major refurbishment programs. Can any body help???

I have lost track of a friend that was apprenticing to be a Lineman. He is also in the Army Reserves so of course I am a bit worried. His name is Peter Neff and he is from Warrior's Mark, PA originally. Please let me know if you might know anything.

How difficult is it to get a lineman job? I have 12 years in construction.

As a general rule, the level of safety increases with the size of the company and not necessarily union/non-union affiliation. The larger the company, the more formalized their operation becomes. Part of that formalization is strong safety and training. (Again, this is a general rule). I have worked for both and in my experiences I could not honestly say that one was safer than the other. Others may have different experiences and I am sure they will post here.Although you did not mention the details of the accident, your last message is a good one. I am guessing that the injured person was not wearing rubber gloves? If not, did he or other crewmembers know he should have been? Answering this question will differentiate between whether or not they were unqualified to recognize the hazards, OR if they took a short cut.Many companies allow their people to work on or near energized conductors only after they have worked for a certain amount of time, and/or have completed training specific to that type of work. "L Supt/Retired" below mentioned that a person should have at least 4 years OJT before working on energized lines. At my company, apprentices can work on simple energized projects after 1.5 years when under the supervision of a journeyman lineman. This works well, but in my opinion some of the apprentices are ready and qualified to work on energized conductors long before 1.5 years. There are others that will NEVER be ready.

Very sorry for your friend! I was not a union man but I can tell you that with most utilities the rubber gloves are put on and worn from the ground up. I had far more close calls driving to work than I ever did on the job. Also, a utility has control over the people working for them. Poor safety was good reason to kick someone off the job. The only argument I ever had with the union was that they did not believe in wearing rubber gloves while using hot sticks. Their reason; they wanted to feel the energized conductor if the stick went bad. To me that would be laughable if it wasn't for the fact that they had an influence over OSHA on that matter. Your 20 year old friend should have completed 4 years of on-the-job training before working on high voltage systems. He should also have been trained for rubber gloving. Another unfortunate fact is that the union would like people to think that unless you have their card your not a lineman.

When a union goes into a shop, do they try to enforce safety & minimum training rules when the owners don't? Do unions have "rules" for who can do what? When a shop puts brand new "lineman" up to work on live wires because only the 22yo "foreman" knows how to maneuver the bucket....if this shop were a union shop, would these workers be protected?I'm not in the field...i'm just a concerned friend of a 20 year old kid who's 6 mo out of lineman training and got both his arms blown off.Do unions have training requirements for who can be a "foreman"? If this shop were a union shop would taking an older more experienced crew of a particular job and sending these kids to do it be prevented???I ask because if putting pressure on this shop to become a union shop would protect the next group of young kids...then they're in for more publicity & public pressure than they can handle.Would love to talk to an experienced union person. Anyone willing to explain things, contact me @ qwerty4362@yahoo.com. Thanks all and WEAR THOSE DAMN RUBBER GLOVES!

I graduated from NLC also had a whole differnet experience than "melnor". They tell you right up front to be ready to travel to inprove your chances for work. I'm half way through my JATC apprenticeship and the stuff I learned there has been really helpful. In our class PGandE, BPA, IRBY, the JATC, and a couple other companies recriuted. The college didn't feed me toward anyone union or non-union--it was up to me. The non-union companys are easy to get on with and the union companys have alot of paperwork and interviews-its harder. Alot of the guys I went to school with just didn't want to spend the time going through all the interviewing. They wanted to work. I still talk to the instructors they are a great bunch of guys. Im with Mike below-it was a great step for me in starting in this trade. I would recommend it to anyone wanting to get going in linework.

I see many questions on the line schools, I have attended NLC and recommend hooking up with your local Union hall and getting your first aid CPR, Flaggers Card, and get a CDL. I found the after attending NLC and going to the Union that they don't like me much, call me a know it all and shit...but i don't know much at all. I found out the reason for this treatment is because NLC feeds non-union companys all the time, and about 3% actually go union out of each class. Just go sign the books at your local hall, you will learn more for first day on the crews than in 16 weeks at NLC.

With All Due Respect I read all the comments in the message section and feel compelled to reply. First of all, I know nothing about NW Lineman College, but the negative is troubling. Especially at a time when we have a dire shortage of good journeyman lineman. Most schools are funded and cannot refuse anyone the right to fail. Unfortunately by the time they are dropped they are through the program anyway. After 15 years of teaching power lineman I can tell you that schools have a top, middle, and a bottom 1/3 of the class. The top 1/3 can make it. The middle will if properly placed. The bottom I wouldn't have on the job. Under this situation how could a school guarantee placement? Another fact, the students normally only take a construction job as a last resort. This means the the construction companies get their pick of the bottom 1/3. It is for this reason that I feel that comments on power line schools is unfair.

At least there is some text on this board and some useful info! Unlike the "other board"! Thanks elineman!

I'm looking for work out on the east coast in the Kentucky Tennesse Massachusetts Connecticut aere I only have 4200hours of Apperntice hours

anyone that visits this message board go to the SMUD preapprentice lineman tests???

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I have both videos they are first generation from the 16mm films....If interested email me coolonne2@attbi.com These are a must for anyone in linework!Farmer slim joins a group of workers who are building powerlines. Foreman Red teaches him all he needs and soon they become friends. When they are fired because they protected their boss in a case when another worker died by falling from a mast because he was drunk, they go to Chicago, where they spend their money and visit Red's girl friend Cally. Cally, who Red doesn't want to marry because he - if having an accident - doesn't want to make her a widow, also falls in love with slim. On another construction site, Slim is stabbed by a personal foe of Red, when he accused him of sabotaging a ladder Red was going to use to 100 feet. Cally, a nurse, comes to the hospital near the construction site and gets Slim back on his feet. Cally proposes marriage if Slim stops working, but he refuses and joins Red on a dangerous job, keeping the power during a blizzard on the northern Eastcoast. Working next to 88,000 Volt power line means taking a deadly risk, as Cally, Red and Slim know...

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We have recently acquired two old hot sticks - so old, they're wood.What is the history of these, and value, if any?My e-mail is (sleeplessinsparks@yahoo.com)Thanks!

Spent quite a few weeks browsing this board for information and ideas on entering the trade. I'm looking to change careers after 5 years in another industry. (30 years old) I will be submitting a package to the local JATC for an apprenticeship soon. I have watched the local PG&E guys at work to get an idea about what's involved in the trade.I'm looking for opinions about the lineman's college vs a JATC paid apprenticeship, what you like most and least about the trade, and any other suggestions for someone starting from scratch.Please post your answers to this board.Thanks.

Ive seen alot of questions on here concering lineman college. I though i would just share some of my exper in hope that it might be helpful. I have just grad from Northwest Linemans College in Meridian Idaho, The cost is about 5-6k dollars and the program last 16 weeks (tools included in that amount). I feel it was a great step towards a long career but the school isnt a cake walk. We had some ppl that didnt graduate! While at the college we had a number of recruitors come in and offer employment, from BPA to LAWP. I have just started my apprenticeship with a contractor and am still in the hiring process with BPA.. There are alot of apprenticeships open out there and very aval but it takes some work to find them. Irby, Brink Electric, Red Simpson, Anderson Wood and Mustang hired ALOT of our class. The main thing is you have to be willing to travel while doing your apprenticeship. And dont take NOBODYS word for anything, Investigate the trade b4 making a decision, Goto a local PUD, ask to hang out with them for a day to get an idea of what kind of career your about to get in. Look it up on the internet and one thing you could do weather its Northwest Linemans College or any other is to ask for a contact list of students who have graduated. Talk to them, ask them what their school had to offer, how it helped them to get into the trade. If its a reputable school they should have a list of contacts for you. Good luck to any1 who's persueing this and i hope that i have been able to help.

looking for plant rebuilds can travel please respond?.20yrs. exp. fiber, splicing,activation .would like supervisor position. email address is skull43465@aol.com

16yrs. experience in power line construction and mantainece. 6yrs. of warehose experience.

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Searching for journeymen linemen positions in Mississippi for a 7-year veteran of the overhead power line construction.

Hey does anyone out there know a Rex Crane?My lineman when I was an app. at D.W.P.

Does anyone know of any apprentice work? I graduated from school last year and have not been able to find any. Seems like its been real slow. Mainly looking for something in WI. but would consider elsewhere. wi1521@execpc.com

IM SEEKING WORK AS A WOODPOLE LINESMAN , UP TO 132KV I WOULD LIKE TO WORK ABROAD ,OZ OR AMERICA OR CANADA IF ANYBODY COULD HELP ME OUT I WOULD BE VERY GRAETFULL E MAIL ADDRESS IS JKORRUK@YAHOO.COM.UK

If anyone can help me find an apprenticeship anywhere let me know. I am a graduate of a lineman school and have worked 1000+ hours and am searching for an apprenticeship. Email me at c_foyt@Hotmail.com

Hello all,I am a Phoenician on a quest for information and enlightment. Lineman as a career opportunity sounds ideal. I have been interested for years and would like to look into opportunities for TRAINING, SCHOOLING OR AN APPRENTICESHIP. Any info. is greatly appreciated. Please reply to josehuan@hotmail.com or post a comment on this message board. THANKS IN ADVANCE.

What up Hendercruz. Stop burying the vaults when Compton shows up. Thanks Irvine Co. for all that dough.

The High line in Alaska this winter is finally going. But there is no camp, no high time pay, no double time and only half per deim. Its cold dark and miserable, the contractors and union should think twice about special aggreements when they cant get the hands to work under these conditions.

Hey tramp,that's what i used 2 call all my x's.All the kizz'ash is in O.C.

help....any information on recieving ALBAT training,where,when..please reply

go to www.lineman.com... it aint worth it man.... got it doesnt get you a good job... no matter what they say...

Can someone help me to find the linemans college in Idaho. I think fate has pushed me into a new career choice. My email address is n2evrething@yahoo.com I would greatly appreciate any help I can get. Thanks in advance,

well where is all the work at ? nothing going on in cali. held up here in arizona right now. not a damn thing going on here. laters all work safe

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I am retired form a big utility but I still love linework.....I want to go work the storms....How do I get connected with utilities when they need contract crews and can i do this on my own???? Thanks for any info

If anyone needs help looking for a job please send me an email at linemanjobs@hotmail.com. I try to keep up to date on jobs & company info. Might be able to help you out.

I was just wondering if any one is hiring a line mechanic apprentice. I attend Milwaukee Area Technical College.I graduate in May 2002.If you have any info plese email me at Nburbey@hotmail.com. Thanks

Looking for employment with an Utility in the SW.Nv.or Ca.

Hey guys! Check out the pulling & tensioning equipment at www.tse-international.com We make some pretty slick equipment and will special build too. We'll make you guys look really good! Sorry if this is the wrong place for this. mickmadison@tse-international.com

Does anybody have any info about the 230k.v. job in alaska?

Hey what's up fellow lineman.Just dropping a few lines to let you know . If you want to take a look at some neat t-shirts for the lineman,go to www.highvoltagewear.com check it out

Toledo Edison is hiring and the company is growing. The weather in the winter stinks (unless you like cool weather) but there is lots that is offered here.

One of my fellow workers who has only been with us for about 3 months, was struck by a car while on the job last friday. He was pinned between the car and our bucket. His injuries were two broke legs and broken arm. They are hopeful he will make a full recovery. I just wanted to write this to ask everyone to pray for him and to remind everyone to be safe. In our line of work there are a lot of hazards to beware of.

heard local 11 on strike in cali, true?

doesn't powerlineman sell it?

from sunny calif.

Anyone know of anyone looking for apprentice linesmen in Eastern Ontario this year??? Thanx!

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Ncc's line course is about 11 months If my memory is right. Northwest Iowa Comm College. 1-800-352-4907

well, I was wondering how good are lineman schools. Are they what some people say....good or bad. I'm from oklahoma and i have a school here. Its oklahoma state university .. okmulgee...if anyone has gone to this school give me a hola..

Hello My name is ryan bradeen and i am currently attenting a lineman school in Spokane WA and was just looking for some help in getting into an apprenticeship. If you can help plese contact me at ryanbradeen@hotmail.com

Hi Terry. Hope you had a great holiday season. I tried calling you but you were out. I will give you a call this weekend. You must be counting the days now, Ha Ha. Work safe brother, Derek.

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